Something you learn in basic biology classes, and that is continually agreed upon by later scientists: an embryo used in lab experimentation is usually 4-5 days after conception, with a cell count of 100-150, and absolutely no functional nervous system or feeling at all. It is not traditionally “human” in any sense of the word that would relate it directly to you. At that point, it’s basically just unique stem cells without a being that’s created from it. The embryo couldn’t be an actual fetus at any point, let alone a baby, so it’s nerves and feeling will never be formed. An embryo, a fetus, and a baby are very different things. An embryo is in its beginning phases before nerves are created, feeling can happen, and parts of its first trimester has occurred. A fetus is part of the latter portions of pregnancy, along with the earlier ones where visible pregnancy occurs. A baby is a fetus that has been born, and is VERY different than the embryos that are experimented with.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution3mos3MO
What moral worth do you think it has? That's the main question I have for you. Do you think it's more valuable than a clod of Dirt?
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Until it’s reached actually growth as a fetus, it’s moral value is none, since the embryo is quite literally a clump of cells at that point in time, it was already doomed to never become a child, it’s nerves will never connect, and experimentation on it will very likely alter the DNA away from the unique combination it had before while contributing vastly to science as a whole. I see no moral value in the tiniest clump of embryonic cells that will not ever reach the fetal stage.
@Patriot-#1776Constitution3mos3MO
Until it’s reached actually growth as a fetus, it’s moral value is none
Alright, so you just said that human embryos that can turn into whole persons have the same moral worth as a clod of cow dung. You don't even think it has the moral worth of a bird, or something – dung. What a horrible, inhuman thing to say.
the embryo is quite literally a clump of cells
So are we! Do you realise how stupid that argument is? Every living thing on the face of this EARTH is a "clump of cells"! YOU AND ME ARE CLUMPS OF CELLS! There might be more cells in you and me than in an… Read more
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Well no, I don’t think it’s worth dung, i think it’s worth the same as any other animal embryo, because both when grown in labs have 0 chances of becoming humans on their own. The labs for artificial pregnancy and the labs for experimentation have different purposes, and therefore the embryos inside have different worth because one will possibly become human, the other will not. I am referring to the lab grown ones for experimentation, which are not allowed to grow past 14 days in the first place, which would still be extremely small and lack even the most basic of nerves.… Read more
@Patriot-#1776Constitution3mos3MO
If you can concede that it has some moral value at all, and that the lines appear to you to be very blurry, why will you not do the ethical thing and assign maximum possible moral value to it just in case it has the moral value of a human? Is that really a risk you want to run – facilitating a practice that could well be just as abominable as murder – after all, you haven't a clue what the moral value precisely should be, and why?
